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18:33:55 28/01/12] TheChibberd : oh, ok XD
[18:44:26 28/01/12] Clavain : ?
[18:44:36 28/01/12] Clavain : Needed that for smething XD
[18:44:38 28/01/12] Clavain : Bye!
[18:44:39 28/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : Hi ?
[18:44:54 28/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : You don't have to actually post it to copy it, you know XD
[21:24:59 28/01/12] TheChibberd : ohkay then XD
[22:22:54 28/01/12] Clavain : pk, Steam was bad TTOTT
[22:22:57 28/01/12] Clavain : Come on here!
[22:23:14 28/01/12] TheChibberd : hi Vane
[22:23:28 28/01/12] Clavain : Hi!
[22:24:26 28/01/12] Clavain : Must go, Steam's back and I've had enough 'haha XD's
[22:24:35 28/01/12] Clavain : 0 is enough
[23:44:36 28/01/12] MBabe : Can you please just lay off him, Vane!? He's been so upset because you went and manipulated his thoughts, and hiding emotions only depresses people around you! Pity fishing is bullshit. Saying 'I feel kinda down =(' IS NOT pityfishing. Saying 'I'm upset, make me happy.' IS. Also, ' ' -How is that mine and Chib's pityfishing face? It's a freaking sad face. Seriously, get over yourself for one day >.<
[23:45:08 28/01/12] MBabe : Consider that "a lesson".
[23:46:55 28/01/12] Clavain : Um, sorry?
[23:47:07 28/01/12] Clavain : Sorry I tried to help again
[23:47:40 28/01/12] Clavain : Pity-fishing is real
[23:47:59 28/01/12] Clavain : And many people do it, and those who do think that those who don't simply don't feel sad
[23:48:25 28/01/12] Clavain : You're wrong
[23:49:04 28/01/12] Clavain : Just because I don't take out my anger/sadness on you guys doesn't mean I don't feel it
[23:49:25 28/01/12] Clavain : Try to remember that
[23:49:59 28/01/12] Clavain : I know you were annoyed at me yesterday too and I don't know why :/
[23:51:29 28/01/12] TheChibberd : Oh ffs Vane!! If you're down, say something. Look how many fucking arguments we get in because people are stressed and stuff. You even had an argument with MB before where you said as an excuse "I've been stressed lately"!!! You're not perfect, no one is, accept that ok?! And if you're down and you say something (Not taking it out on people and making them feel down) They can help and make you happy, then everyone's happy!!
[23:52:09 28/01/12] Clavain : Look, I know you guys think that I don't acknowledge my own faults
[23:52:30 28/01/12] TheChibberd : that because you fucking don't!!
[23:52:37 28/01/12] Clavain : And I know them all too well. Sure, i'm stressed a lot, sure, I snap a lot
[23:52:41 28/01/12] Clavain : YES I DO!
[23:53:01 28/01/12] Clavain : What makes you think that just ebcause I don't moan at myself on here I don't accept them?
[23:53:30 28/01/12] Clavain : Of course I spend all day attacking myself, trying to be nicer, but what on Earth leads you to believe I don't?
[23:53:47 28/01/12] Clavain : Just because I don't say stuff on here doesn't mean it's not happening!
[23:53:50 28/01/12] TheChibberd : well you can happily send out long PM's about other people's problems and stuff and complain whenever people do stuff, but whenever someone tries to tell you that you're wrong you just deny it and try and prove them wrong.
[23:54:03 28/01/12] Clavain : How so?
[23:54:24 28/01/12] Clavain : And if someone wrote me a long PM like that I'd happily read it and try my hardest to do it
[23:54:42 28/01/12] Clavain : I wouldn't just ignore it
[23:55:15 28/01/12] Clavain : Plus, since when have you accepted me criticizing you? You never have.
[23:55:19 28/01/12] Clavain : MB...
[23:55:22 28/01/12] TheChibberd : and you think I don't?! I can't help it?! I can't win can I? I'm not allowed to be depressed, I'm not allowed to make "excuses", I try to stick to it, but I am who I am, you can't just try and change me?!
[23:55:39 28/01/12] Clavain : I'm not trying to change you!
[23:56:09 28/01/12] MBabe : YES you are.
[23:56:28 28/01/12] TheChibberd : well what the fuck are you trying to do?
[23:56:30 28/01/12] Clavain : Why would I want to?
[23:56:39 28/01/12] Clavain : I'm trying to help. I always am
[23:57:06 28/01/12] TheChibberd : well then you should help people when they're down, not tell them they're pity-fishing?!
[23:57:07 28/01/12] Clavain : That's my biggest fucking flaw. I forgive people for anything and end up trying to help them no matter what, no matter how much they hate me for it
[23:57:18 28/01/12] Clavain : And I shouldn't have. I really shouldn't ahve. And i'm sorry.
[23:57:22 28/01/12] Clavain : And I'll stop
[23:58:30 28/01/12] Clavain : I'll stop everything, I'll stop asking you why you attack me and i'll stop asking you tos top burdening your troubles on me
[23:58:42 28/01/12] MBabe : Your problem is you have to be the superior being. You're way too big for your boots, and it's frustrating!! And don't dare say I pityfish! You have no idea how much I hold myself back, but you know what? You just annoy me too much! You don't even realise how much you upset people until it's too late!! >.<
[23:58:55 28/01/12] Clavain : I'll even come in and moan about how crap my life is instead of keeping it inside to spread the sadness if you want
[23:59:06 28/01/12] Clavain : I knwo
[23:59:22 28/01/12] Clavain : I don't, maybe
[23:59:29 28/01/12] TheChibberd : no, just say if you're down, and we can help you. Explain why, and we can sympathise, people make other's feel better?
[23:59:49 28/01/12] Clavain : BECAUSE I CAN'T!
[23:59:54 28/01/12] Clavain : Because I hate telling people
[00:00:06 29/01/12] MBabe : WHY?!?!
[00:00:34 29/01/12] Clavain : Because I'm so depressed that if i start it'll all come flooding out. Because i hate dealing with other people who do the sensible thing becuse i can't
[00:01:11 29/01/12] TheChibberd : because you held it in so long and tricked yourself into thinking that telling people you're upset is bad?!
[00:01:22 29/01/12] MBabe : Well just TRY!!! See how it ends when you don't?! See what's happened now?!
[00:01:23 29/01/12] Clavain : Maybe I act superior, but i always view things in a detatched way. I try not to feel in everything I do. Because it's better than this
[00:01:25 29/01/12] Clavain : Maybe
[00:01:28 29/01/12] Clavain : No. I won't
[00:01:35 29/01/12] Clavain : And don't you dare blame this on me!
[00:01:47 29/01/12] Clavain : I ahve never been annoyed with you and never picked a fight apart from once
[00:01:56 29/01/12] Clavain : Every time I hold myself back
[00:02:03 29/01/12] Clavain : Every time I forget
[00:02:06 29/01/12] MBabe : It IS you! Admit you were wrong for once!!!
[00:02:53 29/01/12] Clavain : I always admit when i'm wrong
[00:03:03 29/01/12] Clavain : And I did do many things wrong
[00:03:17 29/01/12] MBabe : I.E NEVER!
[00:03:30 29/01/12] Clavain : What?
[00:03:42 29/01/12] Clavain : I ahve apologized in every argument i've ever had with you!
[00:03:47 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : Maybe that's because it isn't her fault ?
[00:04:20 29/01/12] TheChibberd : THIS IS GETTING NO WHERE!!! >.<
[00:04:23 29/01/12] MBabe : Don't, pk
[00:04:35 29/01/12] Clavain : If you scroll up you'll see many sorrys
[00:04:43 29/01/12] Clavain : However, pk is ruder than me to Chib
[00:04:59 29/01/12] Clavain : And you only fought like this with him once
[00:05:36 29/01/12] Clavain : I know you think I'm the problem, and I may be a large part of it but I'm not all
[00:06:08 29/01/12] Clavain : I just want to know why it's always me?
[00:06:28 29/01/12] MBabe : Why is it?
[00:06:42 29/01/12] Clavain : I know i do stuff wrong all the time, but I'm not perfect (far from it)
[00:06:56 29/01/12] Clavain : You can't expect me to do better
[00:07:01 29/01/12] Clavain : I;m only human
[00:07:29 29/01/12] MBabe : But you act so much higher than a human
[00:07:31 29/01/12] Clavain : So why don't you ever attack anyone else like this?
[00:07:47 29/01/12] Clavain : Well I may act like that but it's just one of my human flaws!
[00:07:56 29/01/12] MBabe : Because no one else does it!!
[00:08:03 29/01/12] TheChibberd : FOR FUCK SAKE!!! Vane, "I'm only human" Is an excuse, something you told me not to do!! You're a bigger fucking hypocrite than me!!
[00:08:38 29/01/12] Clavain : That's another one of my flaws
[00:09:23 29/01/12] Clavain : Don't you guys put up with anything at all? I'm not a very nice person at all, I tell myself that every day, but...
[00:09:32 29/01/12] Clavain : Why don't you just tell me to leave?
[00:09:37 29/01/12] Clavain : I hold a lot back too
[00:09:46 29/01/12] Clavain : Because if you really did, formally, I would
[00:10:14 29/01/12] Clavain : I wouldn't want to be hurting you both like this, and I'm not trying to act 'above you' or anything. This is how I think.
[00:10:38 29/01/12] MBabe : When did Vene/Ferox/Rhiz/Yoho/etc bash Chib?! And I know pk does, but when we argue I always feel unexplainably awful afterwards, because me and pk actually get along and I enjoy being his friend! But you just don't even try to get along with people, you bitch, troll and manipulate then expect everyone to respect you and can't understand why we don't!!
[00:11:02 29/01/12] Clavain : How often have I given you advice?
[00:11:16 29/01/12] Clavain : So what I troll a bit, everyone does here
[00:11:25 29/01/12] TheChibberd : your advice to me is depressing >.<
[00:11:38 29/01/12] Clavain : Well I can stop, then
[00:11:52 29/01/12] Clavain : I was trying to stop since that PM
[00:11:54 29/01/12] TheChibberd : and not everyone does. I don't troll? Not that I know XD I might but I don't realise it
[00:12:15 29/01/12] Clavain : Manipulate?
[00:12:31 29/01/12] Clavain : Honestly, I don't remember doing that
[00:12:44 29/01/12] Clavain : But I'll try to stop anything that could be seen as manipulation
[00:12:53 29/01/12] MBabe : Yes, manipulate. Look what you did to him! You screwed his head up!
[00:13:16 29/01/12] Clavain : Chib has been ignoring everything I said to him, he didn't even read the PM
[00:13:25 29/01/12] TheChibberd : You caused MB to get upset and worried about me because I was down and I told her I was fine because you told me to hide my emotions and tell people I wasn't down because if I told them I was down it was pity fishing
[00:13:49 29/01/12] TheChibberd : and I did fucking read the PM!!! Oh my fucking god!!! >.<
[00:14:06 29/01/12] Clavain : But you said you didn't before?
[00:14:24 29/01/12] TheChibberd : The fuck I said I didn't!!!
[00:14:34 29/01/12] Clavain : Anyway, if I have then I wasn't trying
[00:14:44 29/01/12] MBabe : Clavain, I'VE read the pm. So I'm sure Chib has.
[00:15:21 29/01/12] Clavain : Well, if you say so
[00:15:28 29/01/12] TheChibberd : you've manipulated yourself! You used to be nice you know... just recently you've become a bitch. You actually told me you were treating me like Mane: "The forum punchbag"!!!
[00:15:39 29/01/12] Clavain : So, let me get this straight, you want me to leave?
[00:15:48 29/01/12] Clavain : Then in return I never contact you again
[00:15:53 29/01/12] Clavain : And you never contact me
[00:16:22 29/01/12] TheChibberd : no! I just want you to be nice again?! Like you were before you became a Mod?
[00:16:27 29/01/12] MBabe : Coz pk would let you leave -_-
[00:16:40 29/01/12] Clavain : Well we have Steam
[00:16:46 29/01/12] Clavain : Plus this place is fine
[00:16:59 29/01/12] Clavain : 'nice like you were before' I don't even know what you're talking about
[00:17:11 29/01/12] Clavain : But I've never let everything out before. Never.
[00:17:18 29/01/12] Clavain : It's not some recent thing
[00:18:06 29/01/12] TheChibberd : I used to like you. As soon as you became a mod you had this sudden power and started acting bigger and better than us, and then when Mane went I was demoted by you to "forum punchbag"
[00:19:01 29/01/12] Clavain : So, if I stopped being a mod..?
[00:19:51 29/01/12] Clavain : Because I don't remember any conscious feeling of becoming nastier
[00:20:19 29/01/12] MBabe : You did =/
[00:20:31 29/01/12] Clavain : There you go
[00:20:39 29/01/12] Clavain : I'm not an admin now, either
[00:20:45 29/01/12] Clavain : Happy?
[00:20:54 29/01/12] MBabe : But you're like this now. What difference is demoting gonna make?
[00:20:57 29/01/12] TheChibberd : no, I feel incredibly guilty
[00:21:05 29/01/12] Clavain : Or would you like to tear me away from pk too so that you're the only one in a relationship?
[00:21:26 29/01/12] Clavain : Well if I grew some sort of arrogance from power then that'll be gone
[00:21:38 29/01/12] Clavain : Maybe slowly, but it'll go
[00:22:17 29/01/12] Clavain : To be honest I think what you saw was me growing more confident and comfortable with the forum >_> but if you'd rather I was shy and uncomfortable because that makes me nicer then fine
[00:22:39 29/01/12] MBabe : Why would we tear you away from pk?! Pityfishing and hypocritical go well together.
[00:23:00 29/01/12] Clavain : Because I feel like you're trying to make me unhappy!
[00:23:07 29/01/12] Clavain : So what, I have problems?
[00:23:20 29/01/12] Clavain : You should tell me in a nice way when you're not so annoyed!
[00:23:24 29/01/12] TheChibberd : I'm not trying to make you unhappy. I'm trying to make you stop making us feel unhappy!!!
[00:23:27 29/01/12] Clavain : You shouldn't just attack someone like this!
[00:23:44 29/01/12] Clavain : Then why didn't you do this in a nice way?
[00:23:50 29/01/12] MBabe : YOU ALWAYS DO!!!
[00:23:55 29/01/12] Clavain : There are so many ways you could have made this better
[00:24:20 29/01/12] MBabe : Stop blaming this on us!!
[00:24:35 29/01/12] Clavain : Why do you want to make me unhappy then?
[00:24:44 29/01/12] Clavain : Why wouldn't you do this in a nicer way?
[00:24:52 29/01/12] Clavain : I'm not blaming you, I just want to know
[00:25:01 29/01/12] TheChibberd : Oh FOR FUCK SAKE!! Because it's not sinking in is it Vane?!
[00:25:31 29/01/12] MBabe : You're a complete hypocrite.
[00:25:35 29/01/12] Clavain : That all of this could have been pointed out in a PM and I would have tried my best and maybe left if you'd wanted?
[00:25:45 29/01/12] TheChibberd : I've had this done to me, by you, about three weeks ago when you nearly split me and MB up. It's not nice is it. You pointed out all my faults then, I'm not even pointing out nearly all of your now!!
[00:26:14 29/01/12] Clavain : I didn't point out all of your faults, I held a lot back
[00:26:25 29/01/12] Clavain : And I just wanted what was best for the two of you!
[00:26:57 29/01/12] MBabe : We ARE what's best for each other!!
[00:27:14 29/01/12] Clavain : If I don't know that because I'm a hypocrite with no idea then why did you come to me so upset, MB?
[00:28:00 29/01/12] Clavain : And if you knew I was a hypocrite with no idea why did you listen to me? Of course it's my fault, but it's never just one person's fault
[00:28:21 29/01/12] Clavain : Even if it's mostly mine
[00:28:46 29/01/12] Clavain : I keep saying sorry, I keep saying I'll change I'm not an admin any more. So why are you still attacking me?
[00:28:56 29/01/12] Clavain : What else can I do?
[00:29:08 29/01/12] TheChibberd : Fuck this. Nothing is working. Let's just forgive and forget and then go back to hiding out emotions and then arguing like this again when we all snap...? Ok?
[00:29:29 29/01/12] Clavain : Seriously, what else can I do?
[00:30:00 29/01/12] MBabe : Seems like a good idea. Let's continue in 3 weeks when we're all worked up?
[00:30:31 29/01/12] Clavain : YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN IMPROVE OR I CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING!
[00:31:02 29/01/12] MBabe : STOP BEING A BITCH THEN!!! HAPPY?!
[00:31:14 29/01/12] TheChibberd : fuck it Vane, just fuck it. nothing is gonna change. Time keeps moving and you can't turn it back. Hurt feelings can't be deleted
[00:31:18 29/01/12] Clavain : [00:28:46] Clavain : I keep saying sorry, I keep saying I'll change I'm not an admin any more. So why are you still attacking me?
[00:31:26 29/01/12] Clavain : 'k, that's it
[00:31:44 29/01/12] Clavain : I've been defending your side, sparing you feelings, but I've snapped. There. Happy?
[00:32:13 29/01/12] Clavain : Because I didn't pick this fight
[00:32:29 29/01/12] TheChibberd : no, but you caused it
[00:33:15 29/01/12] Clavain : Yes, I caused it by unintentionally becoming a 'bitch' and no one telling e so I couldn't change andd for some reason being suspiciously unable to contact in any other way?
[00:33:53 29/01/12] Clavain : You've never accepted the flaws I pointed out, so how can you call me a hypocrite
[00:34:19 29/01/12] Clavain : You have no reason and you're doing exactly what I was annoying you with
[00:34:37 29/01/12] TheChibberd : I accepted them. But the flaws you pointed out to me contradict themselves, they are impossible to change, and it's the same with you.
[00:34:43 29/01/12] Clavain : You can't beat my arguments so you're just ragequitting and randomly pointing out horrible things about me
[00:35:04 29/01/12] Clavain : You've even said you just want me to stop making you so sad
[00:35:12 29/01/12] Clavain : How selfish is that?
[00:35:23 29/01/12] MBabe : Who ragequitted here?!
[00:35:44 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : So basically, you only care about not being sad yourselves, even if it makes Clavain sad, is that it ?
[00:36:04 29/01/12] TheChibberd : no.
[00:36:18 29/01/12] MBabe : No!
[00:36:18 29/01/12] Clavain : You always start this
[00:36:23 29/01/12] TheChibberd : you obviously haven't read anything I've said
[00:36:34 29/01/12] Clavain : MB YOU DID THIS ON MY FUCKING BIRTHDAY, REMEMBER?
[00:36:48 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : I've read everything, and that's the most likely conclusion
[00:37:16 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : Clavain keeps asking why you're attacking her, you never give a good reply
[00:37:34 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : It's obviously so that you two can go on being happy, even it it's at the expense of others
[00:37:57 29/01/12] TheChibberd : Right, everyone stop typing now
[00:38:07 29/01/12] TheChibberd : just stop talking and listen to me!
[00:38:17 29/01/12] Clavain : Oh, because suddenly it's two people against two instead of everyone ganging up on me?
[00:38:27 29/01/12] Clavain : How nice of you. *listening*]
[00:38:55 29/01/12] Clavain : "[00:23:24] TheChibberd : I'm trying to make you stop making us feel unhappy!!!"
[00:38:58 29/01/12] MBabe : Vane, I really, really dislike you. You're a nasty manipulating pityfishing hypocritical high-and-mighty cow and I'm sick of you. I'm going on fb to talk to some (Chib) I care about. I'm on my ds so I can't continue this. And I'm having fun irl but you're pissing me off. So yeah, screw you, end of conversation, that's that.
[00:39:00 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : Let's hear chib's speak on how him and MB are more important then everybody else.
[00:39:17 29/01/12] Clavain : Yes, MB, I knew you'd ragequit
[00:39:25 29/01/12] Clavain : Well I'm sick of forgiving you
[00:39:33 29/01/12] Clavain : If I want to be high-and-mighty I can
[00:39:41 29/01/12] Clavain : It's my choice, not yours
[00:39:48 29/01/12] MBabe : AND ME AND CHIB AREN'T MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERYONE ELSE AND I HAVE NOT ONCE IMPLIED THAT!
[00:39:50 29/01/12] Clavain : You're the hypocrite trying to CHANGE ME!
[00:40:10 29/01/12] TheChibberd : right. All I want is for Vane to realise that people can be upset, and that if people are upset they should tell people so they can help each other. Then everyone can be happy. I'm not trying to say that me and MB are important than everyone else. I just want everyone to be equal and happy. And no one is even listening to me -_-
[00:40:18 29/01/12] Clavain : Told you she'd ragequit
[00:40:26 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : Yup, she always does
[00:40:27 29/01/12] Clavain : I am
[00:40:53 29/01/12] Clavain : And if you'd said that in a PM I would have listened to you and done my best to improve
[00:41:01 29/01/12] Clavain : I still don't get why you didn't do that
[00:41:22 29/01/12] Clavain : Well, I guess if it comes down to it I'll say it
[00:41:44 29/01/12] Clavain : No. I don't want to ban MB. Yes, I have been trying to avoid this. Yes, I will try to not have to.
[00:41:50 29/01/12] Clavain : But it's not unthinkable
[00:42:24 29/01/12] Clavain : I don't ahve a problem with someone telling me to improve
[00:43:01 29/01/12] Clavain : But to attack me like this repetedly and when I ask them what I can change just critisizing me more is not acceptable
[00:43:57 29/01/12] Clavain : So I want you to know that while I'll do everything I can to avoid it it could happen
[00:45:52 29/01/12] Clavain : Mind you, I think next time I'm just going to let go of everything and see how fun it'll be for MB to see my true 'bitch' side
[00:46:26 29/01/12] Clavain : Maybe she'll appreciate the reasoning side slightly more
[00:47:49 29/01/12] TheChibberd : the only reason there'll be a next time is because you haven't taken anything in. Do you ever wonder why you're always the one involved in the arguments?
[00:48:33 29/01/12] Clavain : Did you ever wonder why MB picks on me because she's always there as well?
[00:48:41 29/01/12] Clavain : Well, I was once an easy target
[01:12:23 29/01/12] TheChibberd : you're not anymore. But I am. So you know how it feels to be picked on. So why do it to people. You can't sit around doing things to people and expect them not to respond
[01:18:24 29/01/12] @ pkwinner02 : oh look, now chib's the victim

Venesauroar wrote:What has happened to the forum? D: Everyones always fighting, arguing...why can't we all just get along and be how we used to be? I just guess it's not possible anymore.